In this episode, we talk with Lise Vesterlund about her book “The No Club: Putting a Stop to Women’s Dead-End Work”, co-authored with Linda Babcock, Brenda Peyser, and Laurie Weingart. The book discusses how women are disproportionately assigned non-promotable tasks in the workplace and offers strategies for resisting these burdens to achieve more equitable professional advancement. Our interview focuses on why there is a gender difference in saying no in the workplace, as well as the process of publishing the book.